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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.08.11 15:19:00 -
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Tear collectors collecting their own... Tears .
C&P is full of irony.
And it seems to me that someone could potentially have someone else remained agressed for an entire day while that someone else remains docked waiting for the supposed 15-minute aggression timer to run out. This does smell like gray area.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.08.11 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: SabotNoob
Originally by: Awesome Possum
CCP gave carebears the game mechanic that would have saved this moron his ship. All he had to do was abandon his wreck field. Did he? Nope. Moron.
Question on this solution. Can you abandon your wreck field while docked? I don't think so but just wondering. If you can't then obviously you would have to go back to do it in the field but that presents the obvious problem of dealing with the ninja who comes back in a PvP fit (unless you take your own PvP fit to abandon wrecks).
Not only can you not do that but you can only abandon nearby wrecks. So if a mission runner has wrecks ALL OVER the place he's screwed.
What the aggressor was doing was borderline exploit. The 15-minute aggression timer is supposed to last that much as long as that person isn't aggressing (ie docked).
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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.08.11 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kiritsubo
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Not only can you not do that but you can only abandon nearby wrecks. So if a mission runner has wrecks ALL OVER the place he's screwed.
What the aggressor was doing was borderline exploit. The 15-minute aggression timer is supposed to last that much as long as that person isn't aggressing (ie docked).
The existence of carebears is an aggressive action.
Oh I know. It's why I think my sig is quite approporiate .
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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.08.11 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Skye Ok, so after reading the blog, it sseems he was waiting out an agression timer. But it kept resetting (due to the ninja looter shooting his wreck). Stupidly he went out to play with it still on and ended up getting killed. It does seem like a bug, if it is all true (tho that kinda thing must of been in the game for ages so why havent CCP fixed it?)
I wouldnt care so much about him getting reimbursed. But one time I got podded with high grade snakes. I was in warp (my logs even said I was warping to a belt) and somehow I got hit by artillery. I petitioned (I hardly erver petition anything, and I have a lost a whole ton of ships, so I wouldnt petition unless i think something unatural happened) But CCP basically just told me to **** off.
Why does this guy get reimbursed, when he died to game MECHANICS and I get podded due to bull**** and get told to gtfo.
Did you escalate? It sounds like you might have gotten shafted by a low level.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Lots of whiners in this thread.
Yep. Starting with the OP and followed by you.
Take your own advice and stop whining about this already.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 12/08/2010 14:35:24
Originally by: Skippermonkey Edited by: Skippermonkey on 12/08/2010 14:34:07
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Awesome Possum Lots of whiners in this thread.
Yep. Starting with the OP and followed by you.
Take your own advice and stop whining about this already.
...said the biggest carebear in this thread
Matrix Skye's record on Battleclinic is truely puzzling
Ninjas calling others carebears . Too cute.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.12 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey You get your knickers in a twist when somebody takes your space pixels and get all shooty
Actually, the only one with his knickers in a twist and crying about someone else getting space pixels is YOU. What is it you say? Ah yes:
HTFU
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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.08.14 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tutorial Trio Most people think that once the MR shoot, you only have the 15 minutes given by the timer to tackle him, and take him out, this is incorrect. Instead, depending on the situation, you can keep on æextendingÆ the aggro for anywhere between 2 and 23 hours (because of downtime). This of course lures the MR into a false sense of security, making him undock while youÆre still aggroÆd.
I'd like to thank the ninja who wrote this for bringing it to light. A 15 minute aggro timer can be extended to 23 hours by someone else other than the aggroer . If anything I hope this thread of ninja tears presses CCP to finally fix this nonsense in favor of the MR. That'll teach you ninjas to stop crying so much... Or not :P.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.08.14 17:07:00 -
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i'll test it out to see if indeed logging off puts an end to aggro-extension by ninjas. And if this turns out the be the case (that you are right), then perhaps CCP may want to put out a public service announcement that waiting out a timer docked isn't good enough and that the pilot will need to log out for 15 minutes.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.08.15 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Slimy Worm EDIT: If I'm wrong and it's possible to extend aggro beyond one additional set of 15 minutes then forget everything I just typed.
Read this:
How to extend the 15-minute aggro on someone
It explains how to extend it up to 23 hours.
And this thread needs more ninja tears.
C'mon, ninjas. Cry some moar so CCP can finally patch this nonsense .
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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.08.15 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet The problem here is not the mechanic. The problem is that some (Senior!) GMs are calling it an "exploit", some are calling it "unintended functionality", and some are calling it simply "an unclear mechanic". If it is an exploit, SAY that it's an exploit, and we'll all move on! If it's NOT an exploit, then assure us that nobody else will get reimbursements for mechanics that are fine.
I'll clear things up a bit for you. At the moment, and from what I have read, devs are not happy with the way this "mechanic" (aggro extension) is being used. It is on their to-do list and it will be resolved. In the mean time they are handling it on a case-by-case basis. We would all like to see a quick resolution to this issue. However and in the mean time, we'll just have to have some patience. We'll have to accept that ships will be reimbursed and all that "hard work" that ninjas put in killin' that PVE ship with their PVP ship may be in vein.
Quote: Most mission crashers, including myself, don't care one way or another how CCP rules on this, but it MUST be resolved. Having reimbursements to someone who ignored aggro undock warnings for something that GMs are currently NOT saying is an exploit is *unacceptable*. As others have said, it raises doubts about in what other circumstances CCP will reward losses from ignorance with replacement ships.
Paul Clavet,
The pilot in question did not ignore the aggro undock warning. Read his blog. He WAITED OVER 15 MINUTES to undock. The aggro timer is supposed to be that long, assuming the pilot does not continue to aggro.
I can see your dilemma, as you prey on pilots who experience the confusion of waiting out the 15 minute timer only to have someone else continue having it extended almost indefinitely to whatever time such person chooses to.
Have patience. This will be fixed. In the mean time you may continue to cry over you not being able to make others cry. Hopefully it will speed things up a bit.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.16 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet A GM told me "Current available information indicates that this is not as it should be, until we have more information we will not be announcing anything nor taking action against those making use of this."
Which is close to calling it a bug as I think CCP is going to get.
http://www.mylootyourtears.com/?p=852
My confidence in CCP's customer service has never been lower, but I guess we have our answer.
Ok. I read that blog of yours. As much as I enjoy watching "tear collectors" choke on their own tears I have to tell you, you need to relax and take a breather, man.
It's going to be OK. They're going to fix this. In the mean time, they're not taking action against those using this "technique". If they reimburse victims of this technique then let it just be. Just because you're not pssing people off as much as you'd like to doesn't mean it's the end of the world. I'm sure you can find other ways to grief. It'll be OK, man.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2010.09.11 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Itoli Erebus BOOHOO NO FAIR
Still with the tears?
Please keep crying about this. That way CCP can finally close that loop hole on extending someone's aggro without that someone even so much as undocking.
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